From: Dr Sebby (drsebby@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Feb 24 2002 - 22:28:31 MST
....there is a very good reason to differentiate 'pain sensation' etc etc.
felt by "numb" cows and us. it is a scientific fact. it is not a
theory...or a likelyhood...it is a bona-fied, reality. i suppose youre now
going to demand a source? damn. fine...lemme see if i can find it. but in
the meantime, please feel assured that like it or not, this is true.
drsebby.
----Original Message Follows----
From: Loki100l00@aol.com
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: Re: virus: Rich's Vegan Ethics? McAmerika Rex or You can have my
steak when y...
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:14:07 EST
In a message dated 2/24/2002 10:44:45 PM Central Standard Time,
drsebby@hotmail.com writes:
> ...and Loki, your details are unneccessary - all life coming from a
common
> ancestor is 'related' in my book. i think you know what i meant.
>
> drsebby.
>
Well, It DOES go to the point which you criticized Zphobic was trying to
make
. . .
to restate. . .
[Z] Since I have evolved with cows/sheep/rabbits etc. from the same animal
ancestor (way long ago, to be true) I assume those chemicals serve the same
function in their brain as in ours. And I don't like pain - I try to avoid
it whenever possible, in myself or in others, be they human or cow.
[Dr Sebby]...um first of all...if you keep tracing life back far enough,
your
ancestors ARE plants! secondly, cows dont feel "pain" to anywhere near the
degree you or i do - so while youre busy emoting and personifying the
relatively nerve numb cow with your immensely complex nervous system, try
not to let yourself get too blinded by your imagined kindness such that you
forever fail to see to the great degree to which you are lying to yourself
and those to whom you offer these 'ethical' practises of yours. like i
said...you and i cause roughly the same amount of death in exchange for our
lives - you just dont acknowledge it or respect it. you pretend it doesnt
happen.
[Jake] I also don't understand your trying to play down the degree to which
cows feel pain. As a fellow mammal, their physiological details of physical
pain hardly differ from our own. I don't understand why you want to make
them out as "numb". Now at the same time I agree that some tend to overly
anthropomorphize the mental lives of other animals, but when it comes to
fairly basic things like physical pain, I see no reason to make such a great
distinction between us and them (cows in this case) on that issue.
-Jake
DrSebby.
"Courage...and shuffle the cards".
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