From: Dr Sebby (drsebby@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Feb 26 2002 - 02:07:16 MST
....ok...perhaps my record for consecutive posts but....
..never have i seen moose or bear(not v. tasty) sold in supermarkets. the
annual hunting limit on bear is extremely...really extremely small. and if
you shoot one in the summer..they'll taste like rotten salmon, which of
course is what theyre eating. spring "berry bears" are a bit better, but no
sane person would put themselves through the major pain in the ass and
danger of killing such a bear for this 2nd rate meat. and if you kill a
bear in self-defence, you better have a good case or youre going to
prison...and then you have to report it, after which the state confiscates
every ounce of the bear in question. i once worked with a guy who shot two
bears dead in one day in self-defense...left them both there and never
reported either, because no one wouldve believed that such bad luck couldve
happened and he likely wouldve gone to jail. the thousand or so bear
permits issued each year are sought after world wide...it is extremely rare
to actually eat any of it. i've only run into it once in my life after 14
yrs living on and off there.
...reindeer is pretty good. but Elk....oh ma gawd!! you want to know meat
lovers heaven?....it aint Kobe beef...it's wild elk tenderloin...it's truly
fucking amazing. i've heard great things about baby killer whale too....but
that's pretty much gonna come to you through luck alone(as it should)..but
jesus christ....nothing can beat elk from what i've tasted.
drsebby.
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From: "Mermaid ." <britannica@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
To: virus@lucifer.com
Subject: virus: To ben: Lets not beat around the meat.
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:51:48 -0800
[ben]Because you're not comfortable with your place in the food chain? Do
you feel that guilty about it?
[Mermaid]No. I dont feel guilt, but I am most definitely uncomfortable
because its nasty. To me...at least...
[Mermaid]...but pray do tell...where does guilt enter the picture?
[ben]I'm pretty happy with where my species stands in the lunch hierarchy,
perhaps that's why I prefer my steaks blue-rare :)
[Mermaid]Good for you..:)
[Mermaid]Cooking 'rare' is not the same as ripping a leg off a live/freshly
killed sheep. Please...lets not get carried away. I'd rather listen to the
explanation of the lunch hierarchy theory from someone who hunts and eats
bear meat<and some actually do...NO, not the ones who buy ground bear meat
patties for $12/lb.....its right up there as a delicacy in Alaska alongwith
reindeer jerky and moose burgers>.
[ben]Too many people try to play nice with the fact that living beings are
murdered so that they might enjoy the taste of their flesh, but that's what
it boils down to isn't it?
[Mermaid]Yes, you are right. Too many people try to play nice with the fact
that living beings are murdered so that they might enjoy the taste of their
flesh. They should probably be stopped and be forced to become 'veggies'.
But hey..guess what? I can live with them.
[Mermaid]And NO. It actually boils down to how animals are treated because
not everyone will embrace vegetarianism/veganism. Although, *I* do not like
food that looks like its going to spring back to life and cluck at me. That,
ben, is a personal perference.
[ben]If one can't accept that, perhaps they _should_ go veggie.
[Mermaid]That was the plan and I had dabbled long enough with meat to know
that I *really* dont enjoy eating meat. I dont believe in 'militant'
anything. Either its about being a strict-vegetarian or a
die-hard-meat-lover? Mercifully, I am a 'veggie' now and I like it that way.
If I may speak for myself, I am a damn good hostess and a very gracious
guest. So, I will not put myself in a corner and proclaim that I will not
touch any dead meat until the last breath leaves my body. That is nonsense
and not practical at all. However, I know non-vegetarians who are good
friends and acquiantances. I also know that one cannot be judged by their
eating habits. I never made any strong recommendations for either case.
Etiquette and comman decency demands that one does not
instruct/criticise/mock another's personal perferences unless there is proof
of actual damage being done because of the said preferences. But who cares
about etiquette and decency these days, huh? Nobody suggested that you
should slaughter your own cow food, did they?...:) But I strongly recommend
that everyone...everyone...respects animals and start believing that animals
have rights too. AND animals can and do feel pain.
[Mermaid]Let me make it clear with an example: I bleed every month and soak
up a couple of sanitary napkins and some tampons. I might go on with my day,
work and the rest of my activities looking perfectly normal....I may even
glow a bit and act like I am horny as well...but only I know if I feel pain
or not..right? Even assuming that somehow a human being can, by some
unexplained phenomenon(!!!), can figure out that a diseased animal seemingly
walks around 'feeling no pain'...saying that a diseased animal isnt really
in pain is not the same as an animal made to live in painful, deplorable
conditions and fed plump with hormones for slaughter. I hope I was clear in
communicating to you as to what it all boils down to..from where I stand?
[Mermaid]Would you rather all vegetarians declare that vegetarians are
superior to non vegetarians in their eating habits and non vegetarians
making similar claims to support their view? Where do we meet? Where is the
middle ground? Or would *you* rather decide who should become a 'veggie' and
who shouldnt?
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