From: Blunderov (squooker@mweb.co.za)
Date: Tue Sep 02 2003 - 14:29:01 MDT
[Hermit] Yet causation is an illusion, which our brains create for us.
This is not a matter of speculation, it is a matter of very solid
fundamental physics (think Bell inequalities, spooky action and
Heisenberg). When you have read the expansion and links above, and if
needed done additional research (Weinberg and Feynman are good starting
points on the physics aspects), I'll be expecting your apology.
[Blunderov] Thanks for keeping me clear on that one as well Hermit! (BTW
I for one have been relishing your Fred dissection. I have no problems
about being hostile to and about theists. We have been polite for far
too long.) I somehow have a tendency, in my weaker moments, to wander of
into a notion that indeterminacy is a defect in the universe rather than
my own attention. I swear it's true. It's a terrible temptation and I
don't seem to ever be able to free myself of it entirely.
This seems a good opportunity to visit one of my favourite quotes on
everyone in case I haven't already. To those of you who have seen it
before, apologies.
<q>
Photons do not exist by themselves. All that exists by itself is an
unbroken wholeness that presents itself to us as webs of relations.
Individual entities are idealizations which are correlations made by us.
In short, the physical world, according to quantum mechanics, is:...not
a structure built out of independently existing unanalyzable entities,
but rather a web of relationships between elements whose meanings arise
wholly from their relationships to the whole.
Stapp
</q>
I found this in a book called "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" which I can
recommend as a good read for anyone who wants a non-mathematical
explanation of quantum mechanics. Regrettably IMV, Gary Zukav seems
subsequently to have wandered off into some metaphysical zone which is
of little interest.(To me anyway.) I think he is peddling some sort of
notion pertaining to the universal 'soul' whatever that is. To quote
Zaphod Beeblebrox, "I want it taken out and shot right now". Be that as
it may...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/055326382X/103-1678506-174
5432?v=glance
<q>
Amazon.com
At an Esalen Institute meeting in 1976, tai chi master Al Huang said
that the Chinese word for physics is Wu Li, "patterns of organic
energy." Journalist Gary Zukav and the others present developed the idea
of physics as the dance of the Wu Li Masters--the teachers of physical
essence. Zukav explains the concept further:
The Wu Li Master dances with his student. The Wu Li Master does not
teach, but the student learns. The Wu Li Master always begins at the
center, the heart of the matter.... This book deals not with knowledge,
which is always past tense anyway, but with imagination, which is
physics come alive, which is Wu Li.... Most people believe that
physicists are explaining the world. Some physicists even believe that,
but the Wu Li Masters know that they are only dancing with it.
The "new physics" of Zukav's 1979 book comprises quantum theory,
particle physics, and relativity. Even as these theories age they
haven't percolated all that far into the collective consciousness;
they're too far removed from mundane human experience not to need
introduction. The Dancing Wu Li Masters remains an engaging, accessible
way to meet the most profound and mind-altering insights of 20th-century
science. --Mary Ellen Curtin
</q>
Fond Regards
Blunderov
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