virus: Objective basis for compassion

From: Erik Aronesty (erik@zoneedit.com)
Date: Sun May 02 2004 - 10:05:34 MDT

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    Q1: Is compassion objective?

    A1:

     1. All organisms base decisions on their own point of view. They use
    current input about their environment, combined with past experiences, to
    make decision about courses of action. This process is necessarily
    "objective" - with the organism at the center of the decision making
    process (BASIS).

     2. Even if a person claims to be embarking on a philosophy which takes into
    accounts "nonselfish" viewpoints, this, itself, is a necessarily selfish
    decision - motivated by the experiences and research of the person (1)

     3. The foundation of Objectivism is that each of us is motivated by our own
    pursuit of happiness and our own reason. This is equivalent to (1).

     4. The term "community" comes from the Latin "communis", which is derived
    from "com", meaning together, and "munire", meaning defense or
    fortification. The proposition of mutual fortification is hardly a
    "selfless" goal. It is consistent, entirely, with the objective goal of
    happiness and reason (1).

     5. A community agreement takes into account the needs of as many members of
    the community as possible. If an individuals needs are not addressed by the
    community then they have no logical reason to participate.

     6. The ability to produce an agreement which addresses the needs of many
    people is often called diplomacy. Diplomacy is achieved by seeing issues
    from other people's points of view.

     7. The ability to see issues from other points of view is also known as
    compassion. Taken in this context, however, compassion is a well-reasoned
    and objective way of being. Many individuals have come to the conclusion
    that their own welfare and happiness is best served by "serving in a
    community" or "being compassionate".

     8. Compassion is thus a very advanced state of reasoning, requiring much
    research and understanding about the causes and effects within a society
    (1-7).

    Q2: How does selflessness compare with compassion?

    A2.

     1. Being selfless is having, exhibiting, or being motivated by no concern
    for oneself.
     
     2. Compassion, on the other hand, is motivated by seeing things from other
    peoples points of view, which, in turn, is motivated by community and
    personal welfare.

     3. Assuming Q1A1 is true, then claims of selflessness are contradictory and
    are therefore false.
     
    Q3: Is there a limit to reasoned compassion? Can someone have compassion
    for all living things?

    A3.

     1. The limit is, based on the definition above, the extent to which an
    individual can grasp that the prosperity of others impacts his own
    Prosperity, survival and happiness.

     2. Since a person cannot make an objective decision without basis, a
    persons capacity for compassion, if it is well-reasoned, is limited to their
    understanding of other cultures, societies, and, when taken in a larger
    context, of our ecosystem, etc.

     3. Some people have limited their compassion to others of their own race,
    reasoning that the prosperity of people of other races cannot possibly
    assist in their own prosperity. Other people limit their compassion to
    members of their country, religion, or to other limited communities.

     4. Some people claim to have "compassion for all living things on this
    earth". This conclusion, also, can be reasonable. Once a person has
    expanded their community from self, to family, to nation, to humanity, they
    then begin to recognize a pattern. The conclusion of unlimited compassion
    is come to, not by direct experience interviewing and living with ant
    colonies and herds of buffalo, but by induction - realizing that humanity's
    welfare is intimately connected to the welfare of other living species.

     5. If a person learns, in an objective manner, that humanity's survival in
    inextricably linked to the prosperity of various bacteria, insects, trees,
    phytoplankton and that the prosperity of these species are intimately
    connected to a complex ecology, it becomes reasonable to claim a global,
    ecological compassion in this (4) manner.
     
    Q4: Can someone be charitable and objective?

     1. If a person has a deep knowledge of the entity towards which he is being
    charitable
     
     2. If a person has rational expectation that the charity will impact his
    life in a way such that his own happiness is improved

     3. Or if a person has rational expectation that the charity will impact his
    progenitor(s) lives in a way such that their happiness, prosperity and
    survival are improved

    Q5: I don't have direct experience or knowledge about the world in a
    detailed and intimate manner. Can I claim an objective selfishness and
    non-compassion due to this ignorance?

     1. Many people gain information about other societies from television and
    rumor. These are, most likely, not authentic sources of information because
    they are driven by motivations of others. In other words, the people who
    produce this information are motivated by their own profits, as evidenced by
    their sale of advertising, subscriptions, etc.
     
     2. If you are a member of group X and are convinced, by watching TV, that
    Y-ian people are dangerous, this is inauthentic if you have no personal and
    objective basis for your knowledge. Even if a Y-ian person has harassed
    you, it's a rather poor statistical sample and you can't ever be sure that
    this harassment by a Y-ian wasn't instigated by your own behavior, being one
    ignorant of the way of the Y-ians - since you've never had the opportunity
    to learn the Y-ian culture.
    Certainly your own culture has norms which, when violated, may provoke
    unwanted responses.
     
     3. If you are a member of group X and are convinced, by listening to your
    friends and relatives, that Y-ian people are dangerous, this is still
    inauthentic. Perhaps your close friend had a particular flaw or trait that
    lent them to a false conclusion that Y-ians are dangerous. You on the other
    hand may not have this trait.
     
     4. Thus (from 2,3), the only way to verify information provided by (1), is
    to directly involve oneself in a community. Barring real research and some
    degree of direct experience, it is more logical to come to "no conclusion"
    about another community, than to assume that they are not deserving of
    compassion.

     5. Even if you are quite certain that members of group Y are violent,
    aggressive and mean you harm, compassion is still an effective mode of
    thinking for reducing the aggression and, potentially, mitigating harm to
    oneself.


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