Erik Aronesty <erik@zoneedit.com> wrote:

Your examples of “usefulness” are neither useful to the faithful, nor do they produce evolutionary fitness. Clearly your are making a “straw man” argument against faith.
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El Bastardo Loco: Clearly, I was merely fucking around.  But I do think faith, except in the pragmatic cases that you’ve already delineated, is oftentimes contrary to reason.  My all-time favorite quote apropos of faith—a passage that probably every member of the CoV has read at least once—is from Richard Dawkins’s book The Selfish Gene, footnote #7: “Blind Faith Can Justify Anything”:
 
     http://www.rubinghscience.org/memetics/dawkinsmemes.html
 
<snip>I have had the predictable spate of letters from faith’s victims, protesting about my criticisms of it.  Faith is such a successful brainwasher in its own favour, especially a brainwasher of children, that it is hard to break its hold.  But what, after all, is faith?  It is a state of mind that leads people to believe something—it doesn’t matter what—in the total absence of supporting evidence.  If there were good supporting evidence then faith would be superfluous, for the evidence would compel us to believe it anyway.  It is this that makes the often-parrotted claim that ‘evolution is a matter of faith’ so silly.  People believe in evolution not because they arbitrarily want to believe it but because of overwhelming, publicly available evidence.

     . . . I don’t want to argue that the things in which a particular individual has faith are necessarily daft.  They may or may not be.  The point is that there is no way of deciding whether they are, and no way of preferring one article of faith over another, because evidence is explicitly eschewed.  Indeed the fact that true faith doesn’t need evidence is held up as its greatest virtue; this was the point of my quoting the story of Doubting Thomas, the only really admirable member of the apostles.

     Faith cannot move mountains (though generations of children are solemnly told the contrary and believe it).  But it is capable of driving people to such dangerous folly that faith seems to me to qualify as a kind of mental illness.  It leads people to believe in whatever it is so strongly that in extreme cases thay are prepared to kill and die for it without the need for further justification.  Keith Henson has coined the name ‘memeoids’ for ‘victims that have been taken over by a meme to the extent that their own survival becomes inconsequential . . .  You see lots of these people on the evening news from such places as Belfast or Beirut’.  Faith is powerful enough to immunize people against all appeals to pity, to forgiveness, to decent human feelings.  It even immunizes them against fear, if they honestly believe that a martyr’s death will send them straight to heaven.  What a weapon!  Religious faith deserves a chapter to itself in the annals of war technology, on an even footing with the longbow, the warhorse, the tank, and the hydrogen bomb.</snip>



’Tis better to have loved and lost
than never to have known what it’s like
to have sex with someone besides yourself.  —LenKen


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