2003-04-29 20:00:07
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20:00:07 | localroger | Sounds like a good topic |
20:00:38 | Lucifer | What I had in mind when I suggested the topic was how do we resolve conflicts between genes and memes? |
20:01:03 | jubungalord | I wonder if it's possible for there to be an enviroment in which genes could evolve at the same pace memes do |
20:01:15 | rhino | before doing that, one should tell what comes from the genes and what from the memes |
20:01:31 | Lucifer | rhino, that could be a contentious topic all by itself |
20:01:50 | localroger | Well I have some ideas there, probably best to wait for official chat |
20:01:55 | rhino | yes, but we can proceed ewven if we don't have everything right |
20:02:12 | Lucifer | roger, could you summarize your view? |
20:02:22 | localroger | Genes are information encoded into DNA... |
20:02:31 | localroger | ...Memes are information coded into brains... |
20:02:44 | localroger | Both are living systems. Living systems come into conflict. |
20:02:48 | rhino | eventually, genes are encoded into brains too |
20:02:52 | rhino | not genes |
20:02:55 | rhino | their result |
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20:03:12 | Lucifer | DNA does code for brains along with the rest of the phenotype, yes |
20:03:13 | localroger | It's like, how do we resolve the differences between ourselves and E.Coli? Either we do, and we live on symbiotically, or we don't, and both we and the E.COli die. |
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20:03:29 | localroger | If our memes betray us, our genes die, and vice-versa. |
20:03:48 | rhino | hey Yvonne |
20:03:49 | localroger | There are analogues to this all over the natural world. |
20:03:53 | Yvonne | hi |
20:04:02 | rhino | we are discussing genes vs memes |
20:04:08 | Lucifer | Both memes and genes evolve in an environment shared with other genes and memes in the same host |
20:05:01 | jubungalord | But memes have boundaries set by genes, genes have very different type of boundaries set by memes |
20:05:13 | localroger | I don't see the boundaries as being so different |
20:06:24 | Lucifer | It might be helpful to work with examples here |
20:06:32 | Lucifer | Any suggestions? |
20:06:43 | localroger | Let us say you are a potential human memetic complex... what is your strategy? |
20:07:21 | rhino | heh, did "you" make that an example? |