| 2003-06-10 20:00:11
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| 20:00:11 | Lucifer | The topic tonight is the status of memetics as a science |
| 20:00:11 | JerryLee | i'd say the state of memetics is idaho |
| 20:00:17 | hermit | lr - the more we learn about genetics and neurology, the more we discover that psychology is purely mythical.. |
| 20:00:43 | Lucifer | Will memetics supercede sociology as we know it? |
| 20:00:47 | Sat | is memetics a science or just a model? |
| 20:00:47 | Ophis | Does that invalidate memtics? |
| 20:00:55 | hermit | * hermit points to Rhino's excellent article tree in the FAQ |
| 20:01:19 | hermit | Sat, I think it is simply a hypothesised model. |
| 20:01:20 | Lucifer | or is it doomed to be a minor historical note such as diffusion sociology of the early 20th century? |
| 20:02:04 | Sat | I tend to agree Hermit. What praxis is there for memetics? Any good applications? |
| 20:02:19 | hermit | Ophis: It would not invalidate it, because I don't see anything which would invalidate it (another reason I don't think it is a science (yet?)) |
| 20:02:23 | localroger | I think there is a middle ground here; it's not as fundamental and obvious as genetics, but there's too much to it for it to be marginalized in the long run. |
| 20:02:46 | JerryLee | Sat i would go along with hermits statement about science being quantifiable and measurable |
| 20:02:50 | Lucifer | rhino's faq>> http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=31;action=display;threadid=28393 |
| 20:03:11 | localroger | Just because you can't measure something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. |
| 20:03:19 | hermit | It is a useful way of considering the distribution of messages and "competition" for hosts. |
| 20:03:23 | localroger | It may just mean you haven't found the right ruler yet. |
| 20:03:32 | rhino | rhino (rhino@[death to spam].vdp088.ath08.cas.hol.gr) has joined #virus |
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| 20:03:37 | hermit | Hi rhino |
| 20:03:51 | rhino | hey hermit |
| 20:03:59 | JerryLee | but how would one approach memetics using the scinetific method localroger? |
| 20:04:12 | Sat | Lucifer, whats your take on the state of memetics? |
| 20:04:27 | Lucifer | Memetics would have to explain extent phenomena better than competing models |
| 20:04:34 | localroger | There are a whole class of things -- "Ideas," "hopes," "dreams" which a generation of psychologists tried to define away because they couldn't be measured, but any moron knows are real things that exist and are important. |
| 20:04:56 | Lukian | hey rhino :) |
| 20:05:06 | Lucifer | According to the conclusions of Darwinizing Culture the science of memetics is far from established |
| 20:05:13 | rhino | hey lukian |
| 20:05:21 | rhino | i see kalkor is here |
| 20:05:27 | hermit | localroger, when the subject is as intangible as thought infection, I'm not sue a ruler is the answer. Perhaps some statistical method - but serious research would need active intervention - which might introduce messy ethical issues into an already complex environment. |
