| 2003-07-23 13:36:02
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| 13:36:02 | Demon | Desperate but not heroic. |
| 13:36:23 | Lucifer | Demon, question for you here>> http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=28859 |
| 13:36:27 | Demon | Heroism is about saving lives not desperately trying to survive by killing as many people as you can. |
| 13:37:27 | hermit | Demon, because we clobbered Iraq which was averred in the face of all evidence to the contrary to be an immenent threat, even though they did not have WMDs (only nukes are real WMDs at this stage), while ignoring Israel (who does have nukes and delivery mechanisms) and potentially making a deal with North Korea who undoubtedly are an imminent danger (but are too spiney to spank just now). |
| 13:37:43 | Demon | Generally, people believe a church has to do only with a religion and therefore has to do with the Christian God. |
| 13:38:01 | hermit | Err, no Demon. |
| 13:38:06 | Demon | Yes, Hermit. |
| 13:38:19 | Demon | Don't tell me no when I've heard it from so many people I've directed to the CoV site. |
| 13:38:26 | hermit | There are around 800 major beliefs in the world. Most of these have churches. |
| 13:38:56 | Demon | Your point? |
| 13:39:15 | Demon | Stop being so picky. |
| 13:39:21 | Lucifer | Most people know that there are religions other than xtianity |
| 13:39:29 | hermit | Perhaps the people you are directing to us are too culturally conditioned to recognise that a church need have nothing to do with Christianity? |
| 13:39:54 | Demon | It's really hard to communicate when you pick at the little things. |
| 13:39:58 | Demon | And yes that's what I meant. |
| 13:40:08 | Sat | Sat (~Sat@[death to spam].1Cust137.tnt1.steamboat-springs.co.da.uu.net) has joined #virus |
| 13:40:08 | ChanServ | Mode change [+o Sat] on #virus by ChanServ |
| 13:40:22 | hermit | re Sat |
| 13:40:27 | Sat | hola |
| 13:40:44 | Demon | <Demon> Generally, people believe a church has to do only with a religion and therefore has to do with the {Christian, Islamic, Greek, etc.} God. |
| 13:40:58 | Demon | I was just using "Christian" as a placeholder. |
| 13:41:13 | hermit | Demon, it is not a little thing at accuse a religion which considers hypocricy as a sin of being hypocritical to the core... |
| 13:41:46 | hermit | Demon, what people believe, versus reality is one of our major issues. |
| 13:41:51 | Lucifer | Demon, I'm not sure you should be taking Hermit to task for thinking you mean Christian when you said Christian |
| 13:42:09 | Demon | If you would have read what I said in that thread, you'd understand. |
| 13:42:19 | hermit | I have and I don't |
| 13:42:28 | Lucifer | We are asking for clarification because we read it and we don't understand |
| 13:42:33 | Demon | Then you're incapable of understanding due to expertosis. |
| 13:42:53 | Demon | I can't clarify it anymore than I have. |
| 13:42:56 | Sat | http://robots.net/article/899.html |
| 13:43:01 | Sat | worlds smallest motor |
| 13:43:24 | Demon | Some people see the CoV as a cult because of all the mentions of church, religion, etc. They see it on the same level of something bad. |
| 13:43:38 | Demon | "Culturally conditioned" means that there are memes at work. |
| 13:43:42 | hermit | Don't project your inability to articulate your thoughts onto our ability to comprehend. We want to understand what you mean, but yopur words are getting in the way (e.g. I did not understand that you meant xianity as a placeholder above). |
| 13:44:31 | Lucifer | Demon, I don't understand why you would be hostile toward people trying to understand what you are saying |
| 13:44:31 | hermit | Demon - we have a FAQ dealing with cults, and a carefully written article dealing with why it is valid to regard ourselves as a religion. |
| 13:44:39 | hermit | Why not point to those? |
| 13:44:48 | Demon | I do and I have. |
| 13:45:02 | hermit | And? |
| 13:45:04 | Sat | * Sat watches with mild amusement |
| 13:45:32 | Lucifer | Demon, I do agree that the core memes of Virus could benefit from vectors other than the Virus religion |
| 13:45:41 | Lucifer | There is no single vector that will work for everyone |
| 13:45:45 | Sat | ? Only 15 years after University of California, Berkeley, engineers built the first micro-scale motor, a UC Berkeley physicist has created the first nano-scale motor - a gold rotor on a nanotube shaft that could ride on the back of a virus. |
| 13:45:45 | Sat | "It's the smallest synthetic motor that's ever been made," said Alex Zettl, professor of physics at UC Berkeley and faculty scientist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. "Nature is still a little bit ahead of us - there are biological motors that are equal or slightly smaller in size - but we are catching up." |
| 13:45:51 | hermit | Sat: Sensible. The alternative is pulling your hair out or wringing your hands. I'm gratified that you are amused. |
| 13:45:52 | Demon | church, religion, sins, virtues, promises of salvation... all of these things are equivalent to what other religions such as Christianity promise. |
| 13:45:58 | Lucifer | I've made a few (lame) attempts at starting different groups in that direction |
| 13:46:24 | hermit | Demon, we don't promise what we can't deliver. |
| 13:46:25 | Sat | hermit: it seems to be the most enjoyable approach |
| 13:47:00 | Lucifer | heh, we do not promise salvation anywhere |
| 13:47:03 | Demon | And what my post said was that people don't see the other meanings of those words. |
| 13:47:07 | Sat | The electrostatic motors represent a milestone in nanotechnology, and prove that nanotubes and other nanostructures several hundred times smaller than the diameter of a human hair can be manipulated and assembled into true devices. |
| 13:47:10 | hermit | But the models we suggest are effective when applied within a framework defined by the virtues we advocate. |
| 13:47:14 | Demon | Oh, you don't? Virus was originally created to compete with the traditional (irrational) religions in the human ideosphere with the idea that it would introduce and propagate memes which would ensure the survival and evolution of our species. |
| 13:47:24 | Demon | which would ensure the survival and evolution of our species. |
| 13:47:37 | Lucifer | That is not salvation in the xtian sense |
| 13:47:48 | Demon | Yet it's still a promise of salvation. |
| 13:48:00 | hermit | You see, we don't see anything to be "saved from" |
| 13:48:10 | Demon | I don't see how the CoV can live up to that when from my pov, we're not taking any action. |
| 13:48:12 | Lucifer | Survival is not salvation |
