| 2004-05-04 20:00:04
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| 20:00:04 | Lucifer | Welcome to this week's chat |
| 20:00:14 | Lucifer | The topic is "What Matters?" |
| 20:00:24 | rhino | heh, walter's VCOD |
| 20:00:25 | rhino | visual candy of the day |
| 20:00:25 | WW | smooches to Lucy ;) |
| 20:00:34 | Lucifer | * Lucifer blushes |
| 20:01:06 | Lucifer | First I would like to discuss what kind of things could possibly matter |
| 20:01:37 | Lucifer | Can we narrow the field a bit, or can anything conceivable matter? |
| 20:02:04 | Lucifer | This preliminary exercise should help us frame the question and define our terms |
| 20:02:07 | rhino | should we ask "matters to who?" |
| 20:02:08 | Epistaxis | "everything matters" and "nothing matters" are easy; it's the division of things that makes it difficult |
| 20:03:02 | Lucifer | There may also be a distinction between what does matter and what should matter |
| 20:03:30 | Epistaxis | I don't think ethics apply to belief |
| 20:03:49 | Lucifer | that is an odd claim |
| 20:04:21 | Lucifer | Any reason you think that? |
| 20:04:30 | Epistaxis | Probably not |
| 20:04:45 | Lucifer | Was that a random utterance? |
| 20:05:10 | rhino | ok, i assert that nothing matter by itself. it must be specified "to who" (individual or group). so ethics can apply |
| 20:05:26 | Epistaxis | No, it was a response to the implications of the idea that things "should matter" |
| 20:06:22 | Lucifer | Something matter by themselves, sentient things, right? |
| 20:06:29 | rhino | i can say that "this should matter to all of you" |
| 20:06:30 | Lucifer | Some things^ |
| 20:06:55 | Epistaxis | I don't like the possible implications of that |
| 20:07:39 | rhino | lucifer, i don't think the matter by themselves, |
| 20:07:39 | rhino | they may matter to themselves or to each other |
| 20:07:50 | WW | WW tries to rise up over the xenophobic din of life and gain a global "what matters" perspective, but gravity smacks him right straight back down to here: http://www.walterwatts.com/images/hands.jpg What can I do? |
| 20:08:15 | Epistaxis | I think people don't matter in themselves; they only matter to goals, though one goal might be To Serve Man or somesuch |
| 20:08:27 | Lucifer | heh, I recognize that statue, I used to live very close to the City of Faith |
| 20:08:32 | WW | I'm "stuck" with this substrate, this phenotype, these experiences |
| 20:08:48 | Epistaxis | that goal isn't implied by the possibility of things' mattering |
