| 2004-08-10 18:00:19
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| 18:00:19 | Lucifer | maybe more insurance when they go shopping? |
| 18:00:30 | Lucifer | I've been reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_rights |
| 18:00:49 | rhino | this wikipedia is handy |
| 18:00:51 | Lucifer | Let's begin |
| 18:01:02 | Lucifer | Our topic tonight is animal rights |
| 18:01:05 | rhino | i would have to google Brigitte Bardot without it |
| 18:01:31 | Lucifer | Should animals have any rights, and if so, what exactly? |
| 18:01:46 | Lucifer | What do the virian virtues have to say? |
| 18:01:59 | Lucifer | What do we think of animal liberation activists? |
| 18:02:15 | Lucifer | Is there a consistent philosophy here? |
| 18:02:56 | Lucifer | What do you think Herr Rhino? |
| 18:03:13 | rhino | well, starting from a blank slate approach, nobody has any rights at all except if social customs or the law has provided them |
| 18:03:35 | Lucifer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros |
| 18:03:49 | Lucifer | no intrisic rights then? |
| 18:04:01 | rhino | so, the question is what rights has sociaty provided to animals and why? |
| 18:04:20 | rhino | also what rights it should provide |
| 18:04:50 | rhino | i have heard about "cruelty to animals", for example, which is law in many places |
| 18:04:53 | Lucifer | wikip: Peter Singer |
| 18:04:53 | googlebot | looking up Peter Singer |
| 18:04:54 | googlebot | http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer |
| 18:05:31 | Lucifer | correct, most countries have laws against cruelty to animals |
| 18:05:50 | rhino | a question is why? |
| 18:05:55 | Lucifer | so even though none have conferred a right to vote, they feel they have a right to freedom from suffering |
| 18:06:24 | Lucifer | is it true that animals suffer? |
| 18:06:28 | rhino | i think it is a measure against cruelty in general |
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| 18:06:36 | Lucifer | is suffering always bad and to be avoided if possible? |
| 18:06:37 | Futura | Maybe. Ask Mr. Technical if it is. |
| 18:06:44 | rhino | we can assume that animals do suffer |
