From: Michelle (michelle@barrymenasherealtors.com)
Date: Mon Feb 11 2002 - 11:04:43 MST
Anyone else here seen the newest ad campaign against "drugs"? Where kids
are shown intermingling phrases like "I like to get high with my friends" or
"I smoke a bit of weed" with phrases like "I help fund terrorists" and "I
help bombers get fake passports", ending with "It's my body".
It's kind of scary in that it's partially true - but you could say the same
about paying the power bill, for example. Or taxes. Nobody's doing
commercials about that. I'm wondering just how well this meme will take -
any predictions? Are even pot smokers to become villainous pariahs, seen as
terrorist-enablers?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bodie <mclarkc@essex.ac.uk>
To: virus@lucifer.com <virus@lucifer.com>
Date: Friday, February 08, 2002 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: virus: Cannabinoid receptors and munchies : reprise
>I agree totally. I can't count the ammount of times I've been really
>drunk or out of it on some other substance and just gone up to some random
>person and started talking. This has lead to many interesting encounters
>which I couldn't really tell you about on this list, but it's helped me
>meet a lot of interesting people and have a lot of fun. I would rather
>die 10 years earlier and have a fun life, than be bored and live 'til I'm
>100. It's my body after all
>
>On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Dr Sebby wrote:
>
>>
>> ....you know of all these "bad" things we play with, just how bad are
they
>> really? bad for what? havent you ever had wonderful evenings, met
friends,
>> started relationships, boinked very sexy gals etc. because of the fact
that
>> you were a bit 'socially lubricated' and 'feelin' good' due to one or a
>> combination of these "bad" things? if i go out to a club without having
a
>> drink, i can guarantee you that many wonderful people i've met, friends
ive
>> made, romances lived, wouldnt have started because i wouldve had the
>> "normal" walls of caution/defense up such that these wonderful events in
my
>> life wouldnt have happened.....sure, you can say, "if THAT hadnt have
>> happened, something else wouldve" but i can assure you that on most
>> occasions, nothing wouldve happened, nothing good, nothing bad....we have
to
>> acknowledge the fact that the barriers that such toxins bring down often
put
>> us in situations where we meet many people and sometimes wind up
entangled
>> with them to a point which wouldnt have happened without it. i can
honestly
>> say, that the best romantic relationship of my entire life wouldve never
>> happened without the fact that both of us were tipsy enough to not give a
>> fuck about excessive flirting on the dance floor....let alone the
>> innebriated confidence with which i managed to approach her in front of
>> about 5 friends of hers.
>>
>> ..cigarettes?....i can say for a fact that my father's boat(he hates
>> smoking) has been saved about 4 times due to smokers waking up in the
middle
>> of the night and walking outside to have a puff and realize that we were
>> about 100ft from dragging anchor right onto the rocks...or being hit by a
>> tanker. aside from that...the funny comeraderie or 'social time' that
>> enjoying a ciggy allows, often results in meeting some very fine
>> friends....my own sister once told me that she preferred flying in the
>> smoking section because the people tended to be much more interesting,
>> intense and social.
>>
>> ...all these may seem to be mathematical intangeables when compared to
>> 'years of life' or other such blanket terms, but they are VERY real i
>> contend.
>>
>> drsebby.
>>
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> From: "Zphobic" <zphobic@softhome.net>
>> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
>> To: virus@lucifer.com
>> Subject: Re: virus: Cannabinoid receptors and munchies : reprise
>> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:33:51 +1300
>>
>> I smoke Ecstasy cigarettes whenever I'm really bored and sometimes when
I'm
>> stressed out. They're herbal, and they contain such fine products as
>> lettuce, damiana, mint and several other innoccous ingredients. They
smell
>> nice. I've noticed that people who don't smoke pot and aren't around
>> pot-smokers think the cigarettes smell like it, but regular pot-smokers
just
>> think they smell nice.
>>
>> It's still inhaling smoke into your lungs, though, which is really
*never* a
>> smart decision. If I were to try marijuana, it'd be by brownie.
>>
>> - Zphobic
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dylan Sunter" <dylan.sunter@fisystem.com>
>> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:09 AM
>> Subject: RE: virus: Cannabinoid receptors and munchies : reprise
>>
>>
>> > [KALKOR]
>> > However, I also needed to smoke cigs when I smoked pot, and that just
>> became
>> > a vicious cycle in other ways. Here's what I've done recently, that
has
>> > started to reverse both effects: I quit smoking weed, and consequently
>> don't
>> > feel like smoking cigs as often. I switched to hand-rolling instead of
>> > store-bought, which gives me several things:
>> > 1)I smoke less often because there's more hassle involved with sitting
>> down,
>> > takin out my pouch and papers, rolling up a cig, and lighting
>> it(especially
>> > behind the wheel, forget about havin a cig then).
>> > 2)I get more nicotine per cig than before and the cravings don't
happen
>> as
>> > intensely or as often.
>> > 3)Instead of spending $4.00/pack/day, I spend $4.00/pouch/week.
>> > 4)How much of what does Phillip Morris et al put in cigs that aren't
>> already
>> > present in tobacco? I mean, come on, the tobacco and the act of
burning
>> and
>> > inhaling it is bad enough, but what else is in there? I'm pretty sure
>> it's
>> > not in the hand-rolling stuff I get.
>> > 5)Less appetite suppression which means I'm able to expend less effort
on
>> > MAKING myself eat better. I don't have to so-rigidly stick to my
schedule
>> of
>> > consuming *THIS* amount of food at *THIS* time.
>> >
>> >
>> > [DYLAN]
>> >
>> > I have used weed for going on 10 years now, and smoking it started me
on
>> > tobacco, which has destroyed my health more than anything I think in
my
>> > entire life. However, I now smoke NTB Herbal Cigarettes, and here are
10
>> > good reasons for making the change:
>> >
>> > 1. They taste damn fine in a joint.
>> >
>> > 2. They arent as harsh as using tobacco to roll a joint
>> >
>> > 3. They contain no nicotine or tobacco. Consequently, I have removed
the
>> > habit-forming stuff from my life without having to go through the
"cold
>> > turkey" stage, because when I have those stressed out days where you
just
>> > know you want something to smoke at work, then you can without
becoming
>> > addicted and starting over again. Also, they only contain 3mg Tar...cf
>> with
>> > the following:
>> >
>> > Silk Cut UIltra Mild 4mg
>> > Marlboro Lights 9mg
>> > Marlboro Red box 13mg
>> > Camel Filters Box 13mg
>> > Benson & Hedges Special 14mg
>> > Lucky Strike M.F.T. 16mg
>> >
>> > {SOURCE: Hong Kong Government report on Tar/Nicotine Levels taken
from
>> > samples collected Jan-Dec 2000}
>> >
>> >
>> > 4. No withdrawal means no tetchiness. I have successfully managed to
keep
>> my
>> > relationships intact this time. ;-)
>> >
>> > 5. It is completely organic. As a vegetarian who mainly eats organic
>> (when
>> i
>> > can) this is a positive step.
>> >
>> > 6. I am not giving money to the Philip Morris corporation, and
therefore
>> > indirectly the BATF.
>> >
>> > 7. I am not giving more money to the government.
>> >
>> > 8. They are cheaper. 20 herbal cigarettes are only £1.70 compare with
>> £4.40
>> > for a pack of 20 marlboro lights.
>> >
>> > 9. They are a good talking point...everyone who I know who smokes
wants
>> to
>> > try them.
>> >
>> > 10. They smell like you are smoking weed...means you occasionally have
to
>> > mention it to bar-staff, but they are always cool about it. But more
to
>> the
>> > point, you can soon spot like minded dope smokers who seem to start
>> hovering
>> > and sniffing around whenever you light one up as a cigarette.
>> >
>> > Im not saying this is safe, but its a whole lot healthier than that
>> tobacco
>> > shit that people get happily addicted to. In my opinion, there are few
>> drugs
>> > worse than Tobacco (and alcohol) and whilst I dont think these should
be
>> > banned, certainly i do think there is a case for legalising ALL
currently
>> > banned substances, as based on the number of annual deaths, and
knowing
>> what
>> > these things do to health, it is unlikely that smoking herb, snorting
>> coke
>> > and even taking H would be half as dangerous as drinking
alcohol/smoking
>> > tobacco, should these not be forced underground.
>> >
>> > Dylan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DrSebby.
>> "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
>>
>>
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