From: metahuman (hidden@lucifer.com)
Date: Tue Aug 19 2003 - 03:20:34 MDT
[Jake2]
The following is excerpted from the "re: Enough is enough"
thread, with my responses in regard to the reputation system inserted as
"[Jake2]":
[Jake Sapiens1]
The reputation system is valuable in that it finally provides a collective
standardized measure of the feedback of almost all of the central figures who
have been involved in building Church of Virus.
[metahuman1]
No, the reputation is not valuable. There is absolutely no good reason to
have such a system in place. As for "central figures", the Church of Virus
originally rejected the idea of centralism. re: FAQ Is the CoV a cult?
[Jake2]
The reputation system ties into the voting mechanism to establish a
way of easily and quickly identifying consensus within the community. I
think it was a great idea for David to put such a thing in place. Indeed
you obviously thought that it was a good enough idea as you voluntarily
entered yourself into it. Now it appears you have changed your mind simply
because you don't like the resulting evaluation that you have received.
[metahuman2]
I never supported the rating system. Lucifer told me to check it out and it AUTOMATICALLY entered me into the system. The only choice I in the matter was to ignore its presence and never see its design or open the URL. It's a flawed system because it is based on irrational opinions and selfish opinions. This approach to consensus is invalid. The appropriate method to determining the usefulness of an individual is for each member to rate the user's contributions not himself.
[Jake Sapiens1]
Whether or not Joe thinks it fair or not, one thing is certain, it does not
lie. Another thing that does not lie is the list of the top 100
posters. After you discover that Joe Dees is consistently rated dead
last in the reputation system, then I encourage you to check out the top one
hundred in posting volume. It doesn't lie either. Here you
will note that not only does Joe spew more than anybody else, he does so by many
orders of magnitude. I urge each of you to start with the number 2
poster (Hermit) and start working your way down the list, adding each successive
participants number of posts to the total. Now how long does it take
for you to come up with a total that equals Joe's volume. I did this
and discovered that Joe Dees' volume is more than the next 13 COMBINED!!! (sorry
for the caps, but it simply couldn't be avoided. Now let's see who
all is included in that 13. I will just limit this to people who have
been around and are still around throughout most o!
f the reign of Joe Dees. Others have left since, and still
others or relatively newer. But just to put some personalities into
the mix, . . . Hermit, myself, David, Kharin, Walter, and Bill Roh.
[metahuman1]
Irrelevant, irrelevant, irrelevant. Quite frankly, the post count of any
single user is of no interest to me. Unlike Hermit, I do not give respect to
those with high post counts nor do I see them as more important, more right, or
generally better human beings. Any Virian, or rather, MetaVirian, would do the
same.
[Jake2]
Before we had the reputation system, post count was the only
tracking variable in CoV by which one could relatively evaluate
the contributions of participants. The titles that people received were
based on this. I agree with you that its relevance in this respect is
questionable. The reputation system is much more relevant in that it
measures not only a person's input, but also takes into account other people's
evaluation of that person's input.
[metahuman2]
Still, it is irrational and inappropriate. There isn't a need for a reputation system and stating that the number of posts was used to evaluate the contributiveness to the community shows that the empowered sect of the CoV does not know how to create effective and accurate judgements. Lucifer has asked me many times, "What would you recommend then?" My suggestion: no rating system whatsoever. Virians should not be rating other Virians in this manner. It's so fucking immature. All it does is support Hermit's Virianism (the disintegration of the oiriginal Virian philosophy, retrogression, and the inclusion of politics).
[Jake Sapiens1]
Joe feels himself so incredibly important, that apparently he thinks that
he has more important things to say that all six of these people combined.
[metahuman1]
Apparently you like to bitch about the number of posts certain people make.
Apparently Joe just likes to distribute information. That's certainly not a
negative hit on him. . . .
[Jake2]
I'm sure many career spammers, junk mailers, and telephone
solicitors think of themselves as simply distributing information also.
[metahuman2]
I'm sure many researchers, historians, and scientists of all fields consider themselves distributors of knowledge as well.
[metahuman1]
I enjoy his writings and I enjoy his presence. He's much
more moderate than Hermit and would rather have people think for themselves than
follow a dissolute leader.
[Jake Sapiens1]
We can even move afield from Church of the Virus and learn that
Joe has also had to be moderated in other forums. The memetics list
sponsored by the Journal of Memetics comes to mind, as well as at least one of
the Extropy forums.
[metahuman1]
We can study my forum history as well. I've been banned from over 13
forums, suspended from 5, disrespected in 24 to the extent where I had to leave,
and had my permissions removed in the last year.
[Jake2]
Is this disclosure supposed to impress us? It
certainly does nothing to persuade me that Joe should remain a member of this
community. It does however explain to me why you seem to feel
yourself in league with Joe, your constant kneejerk defense of him, and your
flaming of anyone who criticizes his memebotic/spamming behavior, so thanks for
sharing. Perhaps if you had shared this with us earlier I could have
prophesied your results before you chose to join the CoV
reputation system.
[metahuman2]
::) More unsupported assertions, exaggerations, and lies...
I may not agree with Joe Dees much of the time, but I will defend his right to communication. I defend him against you because you have provided nothing but your opinion. I defend him against Hermit because I am one of the few people who can see that everything Hermit does is to grant himself more power. I suppose you have no knowledge of power and how it is attained which is why you fall into the category of the "Followers of Hermit" who dedicate their minds to accepting "Hermit's Virianism", a faith-based initiative to propagate retrogressive memes with intent to decimate the Virian community and replace the original philosophies of the Church of Virus.
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