From: Jonathan Davis (jonathan.davis@lineone.net)
Date: Mon Sep 15 2003 - 06:08:19 MDT
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Hermit
Sent: 15 September 2003 12:22
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Subject: Re:virus: The Ideohazard 1.1
[Jonathan 2] This is yet more bunk
[Hermit 3] The reason I don't need to bother responding to anything further
said by Jonathan Davis is that he didn't bother to indicating what the
original bunk was. Despite this, I will address a few areas of difference.
[Jonathan 3] I failed to identify non-bunk, hence the omission.
[Hermit 3] Note that the areas <snipped> are what makes the US under the
current Administration a "rogue nation" both in terms of International law
(under which the US has not only accused but even tried others) and in terms
of having voided the legitimacy of American law in that the "Supremacy
Clause" states unequivocably that, the "Constitution, and the Laws of the
United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all treaties
made or shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be
the Supreme Law of the Land." (Article VI of The United States
Constitution).
[Jonathan 3] Relevance score: 0. Next!
[Hermit 3] Does Jonathan Davis know that while the US authorized
naturalization for "free white persons" who had resided in the United States
for at least two years and swore loyalty to the U.S. Constitution in 1790,
this did not apply to Asians or blacks.
[Jonathan 3] Relevance score: 0. Next!
[Hermit 3] A few Asian groups were permitted access to naturalization in the
1940s, but most had to wait for 1952 when these outdated rules were finally
lifted.
[Jonathan 3] You are introducing a problem rectified over 50 years ago as
somehow relevant to our discussion. Odd bordering on bizarre.
[Hermit 3] Does Jonathan Davis know that the US killed a million Filipinos
in the 1899-1902 war of occupation? That he doesn't know that they, like the
Chinese (previously attacked to force them to keep their markets open for
opium sales by British and American drug dealers) were shipped in vast
numbers as cheap labor to the US.
[Jonathan 3] I know of pogroms, mass murders, forced starvation and
brutality meted out by those with power against those without throughout
recorded history and almost certainly before. So what? Stick to the point.
[Hermit 3] He Jonathan Davis never heard of the strict anti-oriental
non-assimilation policies in place in the US through into the 1950s? "Go to
the other side of town!", "No orientals allowed", "It is illegal for
Filipinos to marry white women!" "Just go back to your own country, you're
not wanted here!" Has Jonathan Davis never heard of the race riots and
lynchings of Stockton, Exeter, Watsonville and other cities in California -
in the late 1930s. Have some history -
http://web.mit.edu/21h.153j/www/chrono.html.
[Jonathan 3] I know well what happened in a former era, where attitudes and
norms were different. I wonder if Hermit thinks the actions and brutalities
carried out by his (and mine) own Ethno-national group as recently as the
early 90's reflect something about he and I?
[Hermit 3] Pointing out the deficiencies of an administration and its export
of death and terror does not mean that the person doing so is "anti" that
country, although given the inculcated climate of conformity in the US, I
readily concede that such criticism voiced towards the Bush Administratin
has frequently been termed "un American" by the neo-cons and their
raggle-taggle bands of hanger-ons. Even so, significant numbers of Americans
have now reached the point where such criticism is being voiced. And in my
opinion, a good thing too. Try here for a taste of what happens when this is
suppressed -
http://pages.britishlibrary.net/blwww3/3way/chomstateoppression.htm.
[Jonathan 3]
"All seems infected that the infected spy,
As all seems yellow to the jaundiced eye."
Pope: Essay on Criticism.
Regards
Jonathan
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