From: rhinoceros (rhinoceros@freemail.gr)
Date: Tue Oct 28 2003 - 19:21:13 MST
[Kharin]
I think I have two concerns over the speech. Firstly, the acceptance of what appears to be the ideas promulgated by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which was also Hitler's view. I do not understand such views to have a factual basis in either political or economic terms.
Secondly, the references to counter attacking, buying weapons, building up strength in armed might, defending the Islamic nation do not strike me as especially reassuring; and they do not strike me as specifically referring to Israel since many of them explicitly refer to jews in other states (I would judge that those comments would probably be prosecutable as amounting to incitement to racial hatred in many European countries). For example:
[rhinoceros]
Excuse me. Where did you find those? I am also convinced that Israel has currently bought its way into the White House, and I am not a proponent of either the Protocols of the Elders of Zion nor Hitler. And I still have to find the part about buying weapons and building up strength in armed might. What I read was exactly the opposite -- he urged them not to think only in military terms.
A reminder: The full speech is here. Check for yourselves if you haven't already.
http://thestar.com.my/oic/story.asp?file=/2003/10/16/oic/20031016123438&
[Kharin]
Quote: "The enemy will probably welcome these proposals and we will conclude that the promoters are working for the enemy. But think. We are up against a people who think. They survived 2000 years of pogroms not by hitting back, but by thinking. They invented and successfully promoted Socialism, Communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so they may enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have now gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power. We cannot fight them through brawn alone. We must use our brains also. "
Then compare:
Quote: "You are being enslaved by those who have the most money, the most influential ones, and those who have the strongest news media, particularly the Jews, who are dragging you behind them under the trick of democracy in order to support the Israelis and their schemes and hostility to our religion and at the expense of our blood and land, as well as at the expense of your blood and economy. "
Author: Osama Bin Laden http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3204230.stm
[rhinoceros]
What I see in this comparison is a completely different spirit. Should I have seen similarities? The fact that Osama Bin Laden was the architect of the mass murder of 9/11 does not make anything he said outrageous. The extravagant or fallacious parts of his quote can be pointed out, and then they should also be found in the first quote. Are there any such similarities?
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