Re: virus: terraforming mars

From: Walter Watts (wlwatts@cox.net)
Date: Sun Jan 11 2004 - 16:11:06 MST

  • Next message: Dr Sebby: "Re: virus: terraforming mars"

    We can't afford to terraform Mars.

    We've spent all our money terraforming Iraq.

    Yaba daba do.

    Remember, like the fellow said of the universe:

    Muslims are not weirder than we imagine. They're weirder than we CAN imagine.

    Walter
    <cowering from the thought of tampon burka bombs>

    Dr Sebby wrote:

    > ...oh i agree with you Mermaid; his reasons are never for anyones benefit
    > but his own, but in this time of turmoil any way we can funnel money to NASA
    > is that much less spent on big things that go "boom".
    >
    > ...by the way, why isnt anyone tinkering with a lander that could visit
    > Europa and get underneath that ice. it seems a dead certainty that there
    > would be abundant and i'm guessing rather progressive life forms down there.
    > is it too far away for us to remotely control it or something? what are
    > the difficulties in such a venture?
    >
    > DrSebby.
    > "Courage...and shuffle the cards".
    >
    > ----Original Message Follows----
    > From: "Mermaid" <hidden@lucifer.com>
    > Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
    > To: virus@lucifer.com
    > Subject: Re: virus: terraforming mars
    > Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 03:39:09 -0700
    >
    > [quote from: DrSebby on 2004-01-10 at 01:11:22]
    > ...if bush could somehow push some financing towards such a moon venture, i
    > would see it as a much deserved albeit out of place gesture of humanity
    > before he is banished from office.
    >
    > [Mermaid]you think? here ya go....bush *does* seems to have the idea to
    > colonise the moon...
    >
    > imo, it seems like yet another election promise..like the one about
    > legalising all hispanic illegal immigrants. but then again, bush might have
    > genuine interest in claiming the moon and the red planet for J.C.
    >
    > Bush Plans Missions to the Moon, Mars
    >
    > By MARCIA DUNN, AP Aerospace Writer
    >
    > CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - President Bush (news - web sites) is planning a
    > permanent science base for astronauts on the moon that could serve as a
    > steppingstone for sending humans ultimately on to Mars, according to senior
    > administration officials.
    >
    > The president wants to aggressively reinvigorate the space program, still
    > reeling from the Columbia tragedy nearly one year ago, said the officials,
    > speaking on condition of anonymity.
    >
    > White House press secretary Scott McClellan confirmed that Bush would
    > deliver a speech Wednesday describing his vision of the long-term direction
    > of the space program, but he did not reveal what Bush would say.
    >
    > "The president is strongly committed to the exploration of space," McClellan
    > said Friday.
    >
    > A major question is how to pay for an expensive space initiative while the
    > nation is struggling with record budget deficits and the high costs of the
    > war against terrorism.
    >
    > McClellan said that the White House budget office was involved in the
    > administration's space review, and that Bush will "put forth a responsible
    > budget that meets our highest priorities while working to hold the line of
    > spending elsewhere in the budget."
    >
    > A Nobel-winning physicist who investigated the shuttle accident is among
    > those who would rather see more affordable robots — rather than astronauts —
    > exploring the lunar and Martian surfaces. He points to NASA (news - web
    > sites)'s Spirit rover newly arrived at Mars.
    >
    > "The cost of a manned enclave on the moon, I think, is going to make the
    > space station look cheap. That's the only good thing about it," said
    > Stanford University's Douglas Osheroff.
    >
    > In any event, "I think we're still 30 years from going to Mars and if
    > there's any reason to do that, I don't know," Osheroff said.
    >
    > NASA officials did not return phone calls.
    >
    > Bush does not intend to propose sending Americans to Mars anytime soon, but
    > instead envisions preparing for a Mars expedition more than a decade from
    > now, one administration official said.
    >
    > The White House has been looking for a new revitalizing role for NASA for
    > months, with Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) leading the
    > interagency task force since summer. The speculation over a major space
    > initiative began heating up in early December.
    >
    > Rep. Ralph Hall, R-Texas, a member of the House Science Committee, welcomed
    > the news that Bush would be making an announcement about space.
    >
    > Hall said he has long been trying to get the president more interested in
    > space exploration. The president never went to Johnson Space Center in
    > Houston while serving as Texas governor; in fact, last February's memorial
    > service for the seven Columbia astronauts was his first visit.
    >
    > Bush's fresh interest in space happens to coincide with an election year. A
    > new bold space initiative, it is thought, could excite Americans.
    >
    > "I had the feeling the last 2 1/2 years people would rather make a trip to
    > the grocery store than a trip to the moon because of the economy," Hall
    > said. "As things are turning around, we need to stay in touch with space"
    > and the science spinoffs it provides.
    >
    > It was the Columbia accident that helped force a discussion of where NASA
    > should venture beyond the three remaining space shuttles and the
    > international space station. The panel that investigated the disaster called
    > for a clearly defined long-term mission — a national vision for space that
    > has been missing for three decades.
    >
    > Astronauts last walked on the moon in 1972; in all, 12 men tread the lunar
    > surface over a 3 1/2-year period. This time, the president favors a
    > permanent station, administration officials said.
    >
    > Bush's father, on the 20th anniversary of the first manned moon landing,
    > made a similar call for lunar colonies and a Mars expedition. But the plan
    > was prohibitively expensive — an estimated $400 billion to $500 billion —
    > and went nowhere.
    >
    > No one knows what the new venture might cost or how NASA would pay for it.
    >
    > House Science Committee spokeswoman Heidi Tringe said lawmakers on the panel
    > had yet to be briefed on the specifics.
    >
    > Earlier this week, Bush put in a congratulatory call to officials in charge
    > of NASA's latest Mars rover. He called the Spirit rover's successful landing
    > a "reconfirmation of the American spirit of exploration." Another rover is
    > due to arrive at the red planet in two weeks.
    >
    > Many space buffs see the moon as a necessary place to test the equipment and
    > techniques that would be needed by astronauts on Mars. It's closer, just
    > three days away versus six months away for the red planet.
    >
    > Visionaries say observatories could be built on the moon and mining camps
    > could gather helium-3 for conversion into fuel for use back on Earth.
    >
    > Others, however, contend that astronauts should make a beeline to Mars.
    >
    > Still others, including John Glenn, the first American to orbit the Earth,
    > believes the nation should complete and fully maximize the international
    > space station before dashing anywhere else.
    >
    > ___
    >
    > Associated Press writer Scott Lindlaw contributed to this story from
    > Washington.
    >
    > link:
    > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040109/ap_on_go_pr_wh/back_to_the_moon_4DE
    >
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