From: Jonathan Davis (jonathan.davis@lineone.net)
Date: Thu Mar 04 2004 - 16:53:08 MST
I appear to have amused accidentally because I did not say that homogeneity
is the cause of Switzerland or Sweden's "real democracy". But the size and
cultural homogeneity is a factor in how well representative democracy works.
Generally the smaller and wealthier, the better. Anyway, the US is a real
democracy in my view, as is the UK.
I also did not mention race.
There are some flaws in the US voting technology. The press has discovered
them and true to America's democratic and free people are dealing with the
threat now that it is been made public by the free press.
This is how free democracies work.
You dodged the point about a simple comparison between the USA similarly
sized (and complex) countries of political systems.
Small, wealthy countries seem to have better representative democracies that
larger countries. The chain of representation is shorter. These are inherent
advantages such nations have.
The USA must be judged in class, and as such is a star performer.
It is not perfect, no nation is. And it certainly is not the Nazi killer
state you appear to suggest it is.
Measured against the benchmark of ideal, everything is found wanting.
Regards
Limbic
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Erik Aronesty
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Subject: Re: RE virus: More bush democracy
I always find it very amusing when people say that Switzerland and Sweden
are "homogenous" and that's why real democracy works there.
The presupposition of this argument is that people of different races should
have different levels of involvement in government and representation.
The other argument, frequently wielded, is that the US is so "big".
That's true, and therefore it should be held up to a *more* stringent a
standard, if only to take greater care with the greater power - lest it be
abused.
The US, with its vast resources has no excuse for NOT implementing a true
democracy, replete with the education and secure voting mechanism required.
We spent billions on closed-source proprietary corporate voting systems that
can and has been hacked into. It's laughable. And 5 random people off the
openssl mailing list could build a more secure system in a few months with a
hundredth of the resources.
Our government is beyond "inefficient". At this point, its failures of
intelligence, security and integrity are bizarre and inexcusable.
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