From: athe nonrex (athenonrex@godisdead.com)
Date: Sat Feb 23 2002 - 14:59:34 MST
--- "Zphobic" <zphobic@softhome.net> wrote:
>[TheSebbster] ...what about the rights of plants?? just because theyre
>different from us,
>doesnt mean we can just pretend theyre not alive!!
>
>[Z] Ah. I don't care if it's alive or not. I care if it feels pain. Can
>it feel pain in the same way humans do? The same chemicals, like cows,
>rabbits, chickens, sheep, and ducks have? That plants do not?
>
>[Z] Since I have evolved with cows/sheep/rabbits etc. from the same animal
>ancestor (way long ago, to be true) I assume those chemicals serve the same
>function in their brain as in ours. And I don't like pain - I try to avoid
>it whenever possible, in myself or in others, be they human or cow.
>
>[Z] Why does that make you lose respect for me? Why does that make you
>think I'm hypocritical?
>
>[Z] Normally I wouldn't attack your arguments except to defend mine. But
>several of them are so tempting...
>
>[TheSebbster] ..this line of reasoning is soooo incredibly hypocritical it
>makes me want
> to cry...but so does my spelling at times;) at what point will people
> accept their unchangeable residence at the top of the food chain? life
> requires death no matter how you look at it....excluding a few rare sorts
> that live off of minerals etc.... the best we can do is to be humane and
> kind in our approach to the necessary killing our existence requires.
>
>[Z] You can be humane and kind, if you wish, by eating less or no meat.
>This reduces the numbers of animals grown for food and animal slaughters,
>which is probably very kind to them.
>
>[TheSebbster] although rabbits, cows, chickens, sheep, vegetables, ducks
>etc. die to keep
> me alive and sustain my human existence, i still go out of my way to help
> animals, insects, vegetables and fungi where i may. i attempt to cause as
> little unnecessary death as possible...
>
>[Z] Then why do you eat meat?? PLEASE explain that; it seems like an
>immense contradiction.
>
>[TheSebbster] but i can also appreciate that every
> breath i take results in the death of countless creatures below my ladder
> rung. and who knows...perhaps some fungus or bacteria will be my conquerer
> one day...i can but revel in the soup of life and be happy that my species
> is a rather long-lived one and better equipped(the human brain) than any
> other to deal with other competing and guilt free organisms in their quest
> for a home, expansion and survival. if anyone tells me theyre a vegan or a
> vegetarian for 'moral' purposes, i lose about 95% respect for that
> person/hypocrite. it's the very definition of ignorance....the creatures
> that die for them dont even get an ounce of respect - very sad.
>
> drsebby. eating chicken and steak as i write.
> PETA: People for the Eating of Tasty Animals :D actually my mother gives
> the PETA commandoes money!:) hahaha
[athenonrex]
<usurp from "the eleven satanic rules of the earth" -anton lavey(c)1967>
...8. do not complain about anything to which you need not subject
yourself,
9. do not harm little children,
10. do not kill animals unless they attack you, or you intend on eating
them.
#8 and #9 are just me trying to debunk the prejudice aginst "the most
awful religion ever imagined"(NY times, 1966, upon the publication of
"the satanic bible")
but #10 is relevent to this arguement. i believe that the raising of
animals for wholesale slaughter is wrong, period. if you want to eat
meat, kill it yourself, dammit! but, lest we forget that our bodies were
designed for the consumtion of animals AND vegetables, we lower our selves for taking the "moral high ground" and becomming
vegan/vegetarian. i, personally, don't eat beef or most red meat in
general. why? i can't stand the taste of red meat! (save for
man beef(rt) canniblism is not nearly as sick as people think)
to deceive yourself into thinking that NOT eating meat is going to change a damn thing is partially hypocritical, my friend Z, and lowers
yourself on the intellenece latter, as well as on the food chain.
we are omnivors...
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