The "Best of Virus" section of the BBS, which is our Main Street, our showcase, is in tatters, clogged by crapola. Some of its entries are better characterized as the "Worst of Virus", inspired by totally unVirion ideological, political and personal attacks/agendas. Can anyone who still retains a scintilla of sanity or objectivity *honestly* maintain that that tacky cartoon and the snotty Andy Brice snippet belong in there, and yet my recent paper does not? Puh-LEEEEZE! On what logical, rational or reasonable grounds? The Sheriff ought to clean up the town a bit and boot those unkempt ruffians to the Pit (the cartoon) or Serious Business (the Brice snippet), where such rancid roughhouse riff-raff truly belong, so that tourists will wanna stay a while. --- To unsubscribe from the Virus list go to <http://www.lucifer.com/cgi-bin/virus-l>
Re:virus: Main Street in Tatters
« Reply #1 on: 2003-08-18 12:46:04 »
[Joe Dees] The "Best of Virus" section of the BBS, which is our Main Street, our showcase, is in tatters, clogged by crapola. Some of its entries are better characterized as the "Worst of Virus", inspired by totally unVirion ideological, political and personal attacks/agendas.
[Hermit] This reflects Joe Dees' minority opinion. An opinion which he is naturally entitled to hold, yet which, having come in 37th of 37 "reputable" virians, he perhaps should not express as vociferously or frequently as he has done in the last 16 posts in under 24 hours. Joe Dees' confidence, shown in his behavior in forum flooding, topic spamming and attacking others, that his superiority entitles him to overrule all other Virians is rejected, on the grounds that as it stands, Joe Dees can hardly claim to represent anybody except himself.
[Joe Dees] Can anyone who still retains a scintilla of sanity or objectivity *honestly* maintain that that tacky cartoon and the snotty Andy Brice snippet belong in there,
[Hermit] That Andy Brice ( [ Andy Brice, "Re:Best of Virus", Reply #9, 2002-07-23 ] ) raised two points all too easily forgotten. That the hyperbole over 9/11 was so far over the top as to reduce the credibility of those beating their breats over it, and that, except in economic terms, and as percentages of population, all lives count the same - whether 3,000 Americans, several thousand Palestinians, Serbs, Croations and Columbians, 9,000 Afghans, or in excess of a million Iraqi.
[Hermit] That, despite your paranoic psychosis, neither refers to anything personal, although your floods, including this torrent, do (see highlighted sections below).
[Joe Dees] and yet my recent paper does not? Puh-LEEEEZE! On what logical, rational or reasonable grounds?
[Hermit] That in the expressed opinion of the CoV (Reputation) you are not representative of the CoV, never mind the best of the CoV, and that in the expressed opinion of the CoV (Should Joe's essay be included in the Best Of Virus?) your latest "paper" does not deserve a place there, despite your "conceited", pompous, arrogant assertion that it does ( [ Joe Dees, "virus: Call me conceited...", 2003-08-08 ] . Perhaps because it seems to me (and others) to read like an undergraduate with logorrhea's funding request, lacking a theme, filled with waffle and developing nothing.
[Joe Dees] The Sheriff ought to clean up the town a bit and boot those unkempt ruffians to the Pit (the cartoon) or Serious Business (the Brice snippet), where such rancid roughhouse riff-raff truly belong, so that tourists will wanna stay a while.
[Hermit] Aside from the fact that Joe Dees appears to be deluded if he thinks that he is in a position to dictate to David Lucifer (Please refer to [ Hermit, "In Support of Reason", 2003-08-18 ] ) , or to comment on the attraction of the BBS, given that his behaviour has lead to boards being abandoned by other "more representative" if less hyperactive posters, and boards to be closed to public viewing, this paragraph undoubtedly contains "off-topic" attacks on others.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
Re:virus: Main Street in Tatters
« Reply #2 on: 2003-08-18 14:54:05 »
Quote:
"Can anyone who still retains a scintilla of sanity or objectivity *honestly* maintain that that tacky cartoon and the snotty Andy Brice snippet belong in there, and yet my recent paper does not? Puh-LEEEEZE! On what logical, rational or reasonable grounds?"
Regarding the cartoon, I don't especially see that best of virus is the best category for a work by a third party, especially when we have a humour and satire section.
Beyond that, it depends what we want to use it for. If humourous posts by members are eligible, then there is no great issue with the posts from Andy and Zloduska. Given that Andy's post was in reply to something I forwarded, if anyone was to object it should be me. Of course, if humour is not considered eligible, then they can be moved.
I could not completely accept Hermit's diagnosis of my paper,
[Hermit] That in the expressed opinion of the CoV (Reputation) you are not representative of the CoV, never mind the best of the CoV, and that in the expressed opinion of the CoV (Should Joe's essay be included in the Best Of Virus?) your latest "paper" does not deserve a place there, despite your "conceited", pompous, arrogant assertion that it does ( [ Joe Dees, "virus: Call me conceited...", 2003-08-08 ] . Perhaps because it seems to me (and others) to read like an undergraduate with logorrhea's funding request, lacking a theme, filled with waffle and developing nothing.
Or Jake's,
Heh. well, I can follow a bit of it myself, but I sense that needless academic complexity has little use for religious basis for CoV. I would encourage people to try out some of these complex ideas in the environment of CoV, however I think that we need to process these ideas down into more accessible if still somewhat metaphorical prose style. If CoV simply revolves arund an academic post-modernist circle jerk then it doesn't really go anywhere interesting. At a minimum I would want to see some real data, evidence, or other scientifically reputable process at work other than just regurgitating and playing with other people's work at the computer screen. So if Joe actually did emperical work to justify my actually trying to decipher his high-vocabulary thoughts, I might give it a whirl. But since it doesn't seem that he has, I think I will just leave Joe with his own thoughts on this one, and vote that we not include this in best of virus. As a purely creative endeavor, which this really best qualifies as, I have certainly seen more compelling reading out of Joe.
because I have requested and received another opinion from Dr. Bruce Dunn (PhD, Psychology, Cornell), and here's what he had to say (only at the end; I omit his useful comments interspersed with the text):
"A creative and thought-provoking work. The first part of the paper was easily read and understood by an intelligent lay person. From pages 10 on, more definitions of key terms and expansion of your ideas (preferably with examples +/or metaphors) would have been useful. All in all, very good work!"
I asked Dr. Dunn for his opinion because he is a coeditor of the book (Monographs in Psychobiology: An Integrated Approach Vol. I - Psychophysiological Aspects of Reading and Learning, edited by Victor M. Rentel, Samuel A. Corson & Bruce R. Dunn) in which I found the R. Harter Kraft article (ASYMMETRICAL BRAIN SPECIALIZATION: PROPOSED RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ITS DEVELOPMENT AND COGNITIVE BRAIN DEVELOPMENT, PP. 219-262), and figured that this fact indicated that he occupied a position of knowledge and expertise from which to evaluate my work. I intend to follow Dr. Dunn's recommendations in a future draft.
Re:virus: Main Street in Tatters
« Reply #4 on: 2003-08-18 15:24:31 »
Due to Joe Dees' self identification with the character portrayal in the cartoon and his consequent feeling that (despite it apparently reflecting his repeated assertions in the once public "Serious Business" section of the BBS) it was somehow insulting, and his consequent request that it be removed from the "Best of Virus" thread, the post in question has now been moved from the Best of Virus to the "Humor and Satire" section of the BBS.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg, 1999
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