From: Jake Sapiens (every1hz@earthlink.net)
Date: Wed Sep 24 2003 - 13:29:33 MDT
Okay, I am still in the process of digesting the E-Zine, so I haven't read
Hermit's piece yet, (but I will soon), but I can't let Jonathan's assertion
below just slide by. I would agree that the USA has had a tradition of
choosing diplomacy and consensus, but the current administration has shown
a very clear preference for unilateral action over diplomacy and consensus.
Indeed often not just a preference, but the sole "strategy". Indeed other
modes of conducting foreign policy seem almost missing from this
administrations repertoire. (Colin Powell not withstanding since they seem
to more or less ignore him making his diplomacy ineffective before he
starts). I can't imagine what (other than perhaps an ideological/memetic
infection) would lead Jonathan to not notice these rather obvious public
facts.
-Jake
> [Original Message]
> From: Jonathan Davis <jonathan.davis@lineone.net>
> To: <virus@lucifer.com>
> Date: 09/15/2003 2:02:23 AM
> Subject: RE: virus: The Ideohazard 1.1
>
> You say the USA holds the community of nations in manifest contempt, yet
I
> see no such contempt. I see the USA, despite its overwhelming power,
> choosing diplomacy and consensus. The USA has withdrawn from some
treaties,
> but it was perfectly fair for them to do so. If an agreement disadvantages
> you, you are entitled to void the agreement and renegotiate.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-virus@lucifer.com [mailto:owner-virus@lucifer.com] On Behalf
Of
> Blunderov
> Sent: 15 September 2003 08:45
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: RE: virus: The Ideohazard 1.1
>
>
>
> Jonathan Davis
> > Sent: 14 September 2003 1840
> > To: virus@lucifer.com
> > Subject: RE: virus: The Ideohazard 1.1
> >
> > I was spooked by Hermit's Chinese-commit-genocide piece but for me it
> was
> > ruined by its overt anti-Americanism (if that term can be applied to
> what
> > appears *in my opinion* to be Hermit's pathological hatred of
> America).
>
>
> [Bl.] Whether Hermit has a hatred of America, and whether, if so, this
> hatred is pathological or not, I cannot say. What I can say is that it is
> equally possible, based on the evidence before us, that he is a fervent
> patriot. It depends on your point of view.
>
> When the British invaded China in the 18th Century they found maps in
which
> China occupied the almost whole of the document; peeping in at the corners
> of these maps were tiny representations of what were characterized as
> 'Barbarian' nations - Britain, France and the USA. It was clear that the
> Chinese world view allocated no importance to anything other than China.
>
> Ironically, if one reads the Hermits list of broken American promises and
> treaties, it is difficult to conclude that the American world-view is any
> less solipsistic than the Chinese maps of yore.
>
> It is almost risible that such a self-avowedly 'democratic' nation should
> hold the community of nations in such manifest contempt. Almost.
>
>
> Best Regards
> Blunderov
>
>
>
>
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